Escape PHEV - Revision history

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Rjf at 07:28, 9 May 2011

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173.72.153.110 at 11:53, 8 May 2011

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DavideAndrea: /* PHEV conversions */ Updated t the reality that Escape PHEVs are indeed available

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PHEV conversions: Updated t the reality that Escape PHEVs are indeed available

DavideAndrea: /* PHEV conversions */ Update on conversion availability

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 Again, non-technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car.  Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon.  So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG.  -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer 03:53, 8 May 2011
-This wiki article is specifically about the Ford Escape Hybrid PHEV, and the above criticism is based upon a NREL report of a much larger, 2000 kg (4,400 lb) PH40 vehicle sized for commercial use.  My Escape gets 42 mpg in pure hybrid mode and 58+ mpg in blended mode, yet provides requisite interior space for my equipment transportation needs, which a conventional sedan would not.
+An SUV Owner's rational: I want an AWD vehicle capable of moving my entire family and all the stuff (bicycles, scooters, surfboards) that I regularly transport on a daily basis. It also needs to be able to get us out camping and skiing. I'd happily make do with something like a PHEV Subaru Forester, but such a thing doesn't exist. A study that shows that the environment would be better off using a tricycle might be accurate, but not germane to my usage.
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 == Criticism ==
-Anecdotal evidence gathered by [[Hybrids-Plus]]' sales department shows that SUV owners' main rationale to wanting to convert a Hybrid SUV to PHEV is environmental.  Yet, an [http://www.nrel.gov/ NREL] study shows that the environment would be better served by people driving an efficient, standard sedan than an SUV, albeit a PHEV one. The availability of PHEV SUVs would actually be environmentally more harmful than not having them, as it would allow more and more drivers to use a false environmental rationale to continue buying SUVs over buying more efficient sedans.  While there are certainly valid uses for Trucks and SUVs those who don't honestly need such vehicles would be better served by choosing a more appropriate car for their needs. --[[User:DavideAndrea|DavideAndrea]] 06:41, 24 December 2006 (CDT)
+Anecdotal evidence gathered by [[Hybrids-Plus]]' sales department shows that SUV owners' main rationale to wanting to convert a Hybrid SUV to PHEV is environmental.  Yet, an [http://www.nrel.gov/ NREL] study shows that the environment can be better served by people driving an efficient, standard sedan than an SUV, albeit a PHEV one.  The above report examined mid-sized PH40 SUVs targeting commercial use with a mass of 2000 kg ( 4,400 lbs), and assumed a legitimate need such as government use.  While it is always the case that a less massive vehicle with yield better economy, in cases where required the PH40 test indicated the larger vehicle can approach non-hybrid economy numbers.
-:SUV Owner's rational: I want an AWD vehicle capable of moving my entire family and all the stuff (bicycles, scooters, surfboards) that I regularly transport on a daily basis. It also needs to be able to get us out camping and skiing. I'd happily make do with something like a PHEV Subaru Forester, but such a thing doesn't exist. A study that shows that the environment would be better off using a tricycle might be accurate, but entirely irrelevent.
+One take is that while there are certainly valid uses for trucks and SUVs, those who don't require such vehicles may be better served by choosing a vehicle appropriate for their needs. --[[User:DavideAndrea|DavideAndrea]] 06:41, 24 December 2006 (CDT)
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 == Counter-Criticism ==
-Again, none technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car.  Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon.  So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG.  -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer 03:53, 8 May 2011
+Again, non-technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car.  Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon.  So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG.  -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer 03:53, 8 May 2011
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−	Again, none technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car. Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon. So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG. -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer	+	Again, none technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car. Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon. So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG. -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer 03:53, 8 May 2011

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	::For the individual who feels it is “irresponsible” to drive an SUV, having an attitude that ignore the facts that some SUV are justified to use does not drive the research, the size and fuel economy of mid sized SUV like the Ford Escape are the perfect type of vehicles for PHEV. With the larger cargo capacity they can take a larger capacity of batteries, and with the larger roof size, solar cells can be added to supply some charge. Once again ignoring the facts and trying to demean other solutions is not the way for alternative solutions to develop. --Anonymous 10:53, 16 December 2007 (CDT)		::For the individual who feels it is “irresponsible” to drive an SUV, having an attitude that ignore the facts that some SUV are justified to use does not drive the research, the size and fuel economy of mid sized SUV like the Ford Escape are the perfect type of vehicles for PHEV. With the larger cargo capacity they can take a larger capacity of batteries, and with the larger roof size, solar cells can be added to supply some charge. Once again ignoring the facts and trying to demean other solutions is not the way for alternative solutions to develop. --Anonymous 10:53, 16 December 2007 (CDT)
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		+	Again, none technical people will try to say it is a SUV so therefore it does more damage to the environment than a mid-size car. Gas puts the same amount of pollutants into the environment per gallon. So it isn't a function of what vehicle is burning the gas, but how many gallons it takes to go a set distance. I woud think, critics would focus, therefore, their energies on small sport cars or non-hybrid "mid-size sedans" that get less MPG than the Escape. Also, if you convert this into a PHEV, you drastically increase your MPG. -- BS Mechnical Engineer, MS Systems Engineer
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 * [[Hybrids-Plus]], winner of a NYSERDA contract to make 1 conversion. Currently the only company offering Escape PHEVs. Nine conversions to date, and actively taking more orders.
 * [http://www.electrovaya.com/ Electrovaya], winner of a NYSERDA contract to make 1 conversion. Not actively doing any more Escape conversions.
 Individuals have also converted Escape SUVs.

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 == PHEV conversions ==
-Escape PHEV conversions are likely to be more expensive than Prius conversions because they are heavier and less aerodynamic vehicles.  As such more energy is required to operate them so they would also require more battery capacity to match the [[All-electric range]] ([[AER]]) of smaller vehicle.  Even so there are legitimate needs for such vehicles depending on the load carrying requirements and more challenging terrains which some people must deal with regularly.  In the end PHEV technology is just as applicable to such heavier SUVs and Trucks.  In fact the superior torque of electric power-trains may be preferable in such vehicles.
+Escape PHEV conversions are more expensive than Prius conversions because they are heavier and less aerodynamic vehicles.  As such more energy is required to operate them so they require more battery capacity to match the [[All-electric range]] ([[AER]]) of smaller vehicle.  Even so there are legitimate needs for such vehicles depending on the load carrying requirements and more challenging terrains which some people must deal with regularly.  In the end PHEV technology is just as applicable to such heavier SUVs and Trucks.  In fact the superior torque of electric power-trains may be preferable in such vehicles.
 A major push towards conversion of the Escape came from [http://nyserda.org/ NYSERDA]'s [http://www.nyserda.org/includes/funding_content_pop.asp?i=PON%201088 New York State Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) Technology Initiative], whose Phase 1 granted contracts to 3 companies to convert the Escape.
-These companies are working on Escape PHEV conversions. No one has yet announced pricing nor availability to the general public.
+These companies are working on Escape PHEV conversions.
 * [[Hymotion]], first one to announce a conversion, offered just to fleets; winner of a NYSERDA contract to make 1 conversion. Converted a few vehicles. No longer offering Escape conversions.
 * [[Hybrids-Plus]], winner of a NYSERDA contract to make 1 conversion. Currently the only company offering Escape PHEVs. Nine conversions to date, and actively taking more orders.
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 Individuals have also converted Escape SUVs.
-*Jim Bohorquez of [http://mesapower.com/ Mesa Power] has converted a standard Ford Escape (not a Hybrid) to a parallel PHEV, by disconnecting the rear axle from the engine and driving it with an electric motor. The motor is powered with NiMH cells recycled from Prius PHEV conversions. The battery is charged exclusively from the power grid, through a Mesa Power UPS charger.
+*Jim Bohorquez, formerly of [http://mesapower.com/ Mesa Power], has converted a standard Ford Escape (not a Hybrid) to a parallel PHEV, by disconnecting the rear axle from the engine and driving it with an electric motor. The motor is powered with NiMH cells recycled from Prius PHEV conversions. The battery is charged exclusively from the power grid, through a Mesa Power UPS charger.
 == Where Escape PHEVs are ==