Insight PHEV - Revision history

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Insight EV Conversion

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Rjf at 23:10, 27 September 2008

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Rjf: /* See Also */ InsightCentral threads.

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Rjf: /* PHEV Insight via MIMA */ Maximizing Honda's Insight with MIMA, sp

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PHEV Insight via MIMA: Maximizing Honda's Insight with MIMA, sp

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 Electric Vehicles USA, Inc. ''formerly Cloud Electric'' appears to be getting into Hybrid Conversions, though not PHEVs.
 * [http://www.cloudelectric.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=866086%7C881991&PRID=1541019 Honda Insight "Cloud EV" Electric Conversion]
 ==See Also==

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 * [[MIMA]] - Manual IMA
 * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]
 [[Category:Insight]]
 [[Category:PHEV]]

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	A local SEVA member is also working on a sort of odd Insight conversion, which is coming along rather slowly. See [[SEVA:User:Rjf/Insight_Modifications#Rear_Wheel_Electric_Drive\|Ryan's PHEV Insight Project]].		A local SEVA member is also working on a sort of odd Insight conversion, which is coming along rather slowly. See [[SEVA:User:Rjf/Insight_Modifications#Rear_Wheel_Electric_Drive\|Ryan's PHEV Insight Project]].
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−	~~Found this interesting [http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4634264304 ETek-ed Hybrid] Geo Tracker 4wd on ebay.~~

	==Swarthmore College Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team==		==Swarthmore College Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team==

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 See the [[Template:Terms|Terms]] page is you aren't familiar with some of the acronyms used throughout the documentation.
 Also be aware of the [[Template:Disclaimer|Disclaimer]] should you be considering doing a conversion yourself.
 ==PHEV Insight via MIMA==
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 * [[MIMA]] - Manual IMA
 * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]
 [[Category:Insight]]
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 * [[MIMA]] - Manual IMA
 * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]
 [[Category:Insight]]
 [[Category:PHEV]]

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	* [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]		* [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]

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 There is a '''[[MIMA]]''' '''M'''anual '''IMA''' ''(Integrated Motor Assist)'' control project which provides manual control over the IMA (Assist/Regen) on the [[Honda Insight]].  While not a PHEV project it might make it possible to utilize additional battery capacity in a [[Mixed-mode]] similar to [[Prius PHEV]]s at speeds greater than 34mph.
-MIMA would allow the driver to set an Aggressive Assist type profile allowing the IMA to contribute up to 10kW of continuous power.  This would rapidly deplete the stock battery which may reach empty within 5 minutes or 5 miles.  Some Insight drivers may already be familiar with Recalibration Events, ''Recals'', which are essentially the manifestation or the [[State Of Charge Drift]] portion of the vehicles battery management routines.  While the most common Racals are negative and occur when the SOC reaches a lower limit, it is also possible to recalibrate or drift up if the SOC is determined to be higher than expected.  Such behaviour makes possible [[State Of Charge Manipulation]] by simply keeping the battery's voltage or perceived voltage near the upper limit.
+MIMA would allow the driver to set an Aggressive Assist type profile allowing the IMA to contribute up to 10kW of continuous power.  This would rapidly deplete the stock battery which may reach empty within 5 minutes or 5 miles.  Some Insight drivers may already be familiar with Recalibration Events, ''Recals'', which are essentially the manifestation or the [[State Of Charge Drift]] portion of the vehicles battery management routines.  While the most common Racals are negative and occur when the SOC reaches a lower limit, it is also possible to recalibrate or drift up if the SOC is determined to be higher than expected.  Such behavior makes possible [[State Of Charge Manipulation]] by simply keeping the battery's voltage or perceived voltage near the upper limit.
-Technically, as long as the lower SOC limit is not reached, MIMA makes it possible to command any desired level of IMA assistance which diminishes the importance of SOC Manipulation.  Both simple and hybrid [[Battery Pack Configurations]] would be equally effective in such a conversion because of the previous point.  A hybrid pack would leave the stock battery in place and might eliminate the need for a [[Battery Tap Emulator]], yet a simple configuration replacing the NiMH pack with a superiour [[SEVA:Li|Lithium]] battery would maximize energy density and keep vehicle weight well under 2000lbs.  A [[Battery Chargers|battery charger]] would be required and might also double as a hybrid pack's power regulation device which could lessen the constraints on choosing a battery packes geometry ''(voltage, cells, or number of batteries)''.
+Technically, as long as the lower SOC limit is not reached, MIMA makes it possible to command any desired level of IMA assistance which diminishes the importance of SOC Manipulation.  Both simple and hybrid [[Battery Pack Configurations]] would be equally effective in such a conversion because of the previous point.  A hybrid pack would leave the stock battery in place and might eliminate the need for a [[Battery Tap Emulator]], yet a simple configuration replacing the NiMH pack with a superior [[SEVA:Li|Lithium]] battery would maximize energy density and keep vehicle weight well under 2000lbs.  A [[Battery Chargers|battery charger]] would be required and might also double as a hybrid pack's power regulation device which could lessen the constraints on choosing a battery packs geometry ''(voltage, cells, or number of batteries)''.
 We're not yet sure how this would affect your [[Warranty]].
 ==Series-Parallel Insight Conversion==

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 ==See Also==
-* [[IMA]] - Intigrated Motor Assist
+* [[IMA]] - Integrated Motor Assist
 * [[MIMA]] - Manual IMA
 * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/19432 The end of the road for the Insight? Gen2 Insight Ideas!]
 [[Category:Insight PHEV|*]]

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 Honda Hybrids are [[Parallel Hybrids]] which at first glance wouldn't seem to benefit much from a PHEV conversion as they don't have an EV-mode like the [[Toyota Prius]].  However by using a larger battery the 10kW [[IMA]] could be run in a constant assist mode to displace gas consumption and push the mileage well into the 100's on the freeway.  The [[Honda Insight|Insight]] is a very light and aerodynamic vehicle which makes it rather attractive for conversion.  Of course, untill someone actually tries it we can't say for sure how well it would work, if at all.
-See the [[Template:Terms|Terms]] page is you aren't familure with some of the acronyms used throught the documentation.
+See the [[Template:Terms|Terms]] page is you aren't familiar with some of the acronyms used throughout the documentation.
-Also be aware of the [[Template:Disclaimer|Disclaimer]] should you be considering a conversion yourself.
+Also be aware of the [[Template:Disclaimer|Disclaimer]] should you be considering doing a conversion yourself.
 ==PHEV Insight via MIMA==
-There is a '''[[MIMA]]''' '''M'''anual '''IMA''' ''(Intigrated Motor Assist)'' control project which provides manual control over the IMA (Assist/Regen) on the [[Honda Insight]].  While not a PHEV project it might make it possible to utilize additional battery capacity in a [[Mixed-mode]] similar to [[Prius PHEV]]s at speeds greater than 34mph.
+There is a '''[[MIMA]]''' '''M'''anual '''IMA''' ''(Integrated Motor Assist)'' control project which provides manual control over the IMA (Assist/Regen) on the [[Honda Insight]].  While not a PHEV project it might make it possible to utilize additional battery capacity in a [[Mixed-mode]] similar to [[Prius PHEV]]s at speeds greater than 34mph.
-MIMA would allow the driver to set an Aggressive Assist type profile allowing the IMA to contribute up to 10kW of continuous power.  This would rapidly deplete the stock battery which may reach empty within 5 minutes or 5 miles.  Some Insight drivers may already be familure with Recalibration Events ''Recals'' which are essentially the manifestation or the [[State Of Charge Drift]] portion of the vehicles battery management routines.  While the most common Racals are negative and occure when the SOC reaches a lower limit it is also possible to recalibrate or drift up if the SOC is determined to be higher than expected.  Such behaviour makes possible [[State Of Charge Manipulation]] by simply keeping the batteries voltage or percieved voltage near the upper limit.
+MIMA would allow the driver to set an Aggressive Assist type profile allowing the IMA to contribute up to 10kW of continuous power.  This would rapidly deplete the stock battery which may reach empty within 5 minutes or 5 miles.  Some Insight drivers may already be familiar with Recalibration Events, ''Recals'', which are essentially the manifestation or the [[State Of Charge Drift]] portion of the vehicles battery management routines.  While the most common Racals are negative and occur when the SOC reaches a lower limit, it is also possible to recalibrate or drift up if the SOC is determined to be higher than expected.  Such behaviour makes possible [[State Of Charge Manipulation]] by simply keeping the battery's voltage or perceived voltage near the upper limit.
-Technically so long as the lower SOC limit is not reached MIMA makes it possible to command any desired level of IMA assistance which diminished the importance of SOC Manipulation.  Both simple and hybrid [[Battery Pack Configurations]] would be equally effective in such a conversion because of the previous point.  A hybrid pack would leave the stock battery in place and might eliminate the need for a [[Battery Tap Emulator]], yet a simple configuration replacing the NiMH pack with a superiour [[SEVA:Li|Lithium]] battery would maximize energy density and keep vehicle weight well under 2000lbs.  A [[Battery Chargers]] would be required and might also double as a hybrid packs power regulation device which could lesson the constraints on choosing a battery packs geometry ''(voltage, cells, or number of batteries)''.
+Technically, as long as the lower SOC limit is not reached, MIMA makes it possible to command any desired level of IMA assistance which diminishes the importance of SOC Manipulation.  Both simple and hybrid [[Battery Pack Configurations]] would be equally effective in such a conversion because of the previous point.  A hybrid pack would leave the stock battery in place and might eliminate the need for a [[Battery Tap Emulator]], yet a simple configuration replacing the NiMH pack with a superiour [[SEVA:Li|Lithium]] battery would maximize energy density and keep vehicle weight well under 2000lbs.  A [[Battery Chargers|battery charger]] would be required and might also double as a hybrid pack's power regulation device which could lessen the constraints on choosing a battery packes geometry ''(voltage, cells, or number of batteries)''.
-We're not yet sure how this would effect your [[Warranty]].
+We're not yet sure how this would affect your [[Warranty]].
 ==Series-Parallel Insight Conversion==
-A local SEVA member is also working on a sort of odd Insight conversion, which is comming along rather slowly. See [[SEVA:User:Rjf/Insight_Modifications#Rear_Wheel_Electric_Drive|Ryan's PHEV Insight Project]].
+A local SEVA member is also working on a sort of odd Insight conversion, which is coming along rather slowly. See [[SEVA:User:Rjf/Insight_Modifications#Rear_Wheel_Electric_Drive|Ryan's PHEV Insight Project]].
 Found this interesting [http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4634264304 ETek-ed Hybrid] Geo Tracker 4wd on ebay.
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 ==Insight EV Conversion==
-Gary Graunke of Hillsboro, Oregon has converted his "Out-a-sight" Insight to Electric!  He is using a Metric Mind Siemens 5105WS12 AC Motor, Siemens AC SIMOVERT 6SV short inverter, and the original manual transmission without the clutch.  The battery pack was originally (168V) fourteen 12v 38Ah Hawker Genesis and now consists of (309V) eighty-six ThunderSky 90AH 3.6V LiIon cells, charged with a Manzanita Micro PFC50 10KW.  His range was 20 miles with 9 year old Hawkers and should be 230 miles with the LiIon.  Curb Weight is 2100 pounds from the original 1850.  ''Technically this should appear on the [[SEVA:Conversions]] page.''
+Gary Graunke of Hillsboro, Oregon has converted his "Out-a-sight" Insight to Electric!  He is using a Metric Mind Siemens 5105WS12 AC Motor, Siemens AC SIMOVERT 6SV short inverter, and the original manual transmission without the clutch.  The battery pack was originally (168V) fourteen 12v 38Ah Hawker Genesis and now consists of (309V) eighty-six ThunderSky 90AH 3.6V LiIon cells, charged with a Manzanita Micro PFC50 10KW.  His range was 20 miles with 9 year old Hawkers and should be 230 miles with Li-Ion.  Curb Weight is 2100 pounds from the original 1850.  ''Technically this should appear on the [[SEVA:Conversions]] page.''
 * http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/461.html
 * http://ev.whitecape.org/insight