Hymotion - Revision history

DavideAndrea: Hymotion BREM service

2008-05-07T15:31:38Z

Hymotion BREM service

DavideAndrea: Added picture of guts

2008-05-01T21:19:05Z

Added picture of guts

Rjf: /* News */ Hymotion/A123 announce their L5 kits are now available to consumers

2008-04-30T01:57:32Z

News: Hymotion/A123 announce their L5 kits are now available to consumers

Rjf: /* Links */ dated old news.

2007-12-10T22:44:28Z

Links: dated old news.

DavideAndrea: /* Links */ Yahoo group

2007-12-10T17:35:07Z

Links: Yahoo group

Rjf: Unprotected "Hymotion"

2007-10-15T09:14:07Z

Unprotected "Hymotion"

Rjf: rm dup Category:Prius PHEV

2007-10-09T08:52:53Z

rm dup Category:Prius PHEV

Rjf: /* Summary */ sp per talk page.

2007-07-09T18:52:53Z

Summary: sp per talk page.

Rjf: {{Prius PHEV Options Summary}} to top

2007-06-22T04:52:35Z

{{Prius PHEV Options Summary}} to top

Rjf: {{Prius PHEV Options Summary}}

2006-11-18T03:19:14Z

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	Notice the trend towards the magical $500/kWh at 1000 units on the Hymotion battery packs, figure $1500 for the other hardware... This is about the cost of current mass production small form Li cells, who knows what happens to the cost once you ramp vehicle scale production into the millions? $250/kWh? $100/kWh? Keep in mind that something like the tzero with 6800 18650 cells is about 1000 laptops worth, so each PHEV might represent 200 laptops, 1000 cars = 200,000 laptops...		Notice the trend towards the magical $500/kWh at 1000 units on the Hymotion battery packs, figure $1500 for the other hardware... This is about the cost of current mass production small form Li cells, who knows what happens to the cost once you ramp vehicle scale production into the millions? $250/kWh? $100/kWh? Keep in mind that something like the tzero with 6800 18650 cells is about 1000 laptops worth, so each PHEV might represent 200 laptops, 1000 cars = 200,000 laptops...
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		+	==Service info==
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		+	===CAN Bus ===
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		+	The HyMotion BREM has 2 CAN Bus ports, one connected to the stock Prius battery, one to the rest of the Prius. This allows the BREM to commandeer and modify certain messages from the stock battery to the Prius, while relaying all other messages. However, the BREM only relays to the stock battery the messages it needs. Therefore the stock battery side CAN Bus does not have all the CAN messages that are present on the Prius side CAN Bus. That can be a problem when installing a device that uses PIDs. When connecting an accessory to the CAN Bus (such as a ScanGauge or a Smart Charge device), it must be connected to the Prius side CAN bus, not the stock battery side CAN Bus.
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		+	[[Image:BREM_CAN-Buses.gif \| Hymotion's BREM has 2 CAN Buses]]

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	==Summary==		==Summary==
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		+	[[Image:Hymotion_L5_BMS.jpg\|thumb\|HyMotion older generation BREM, showing the BMS]]

	So Hymotion will sell 1000 units for $6,500 each, 100 units for $9,500, or a single ''(demostration)'' unit for $12,500 plus an undetermined installation charge or the option of self installation after receiving training. Hymotion and [[EDrive]] both go nearly the same distance at 31 vs 35miles, Hymotion is rated 5kWh and 40.9kg lighter than the EDrive at 9kWh, 1.8 times the energy at 1.56 times the weight.		So Hymotion will sell 1000 units for $6,500 each, 100 units for $9,500, or a single ''(demostration)'' unit for $12,500 plus an undetermined installation charge or the option of self installation after receiving training. Hymotion and [[EDrive]] both go nearly the same distance at 31 vs 35miles, Hymotion is rated 5kWh and 40.9kg lighter than the EDrive at 9kWh, 1.8 times the energy at 1.56 times the weight.

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 ==News==
 * 2006.06.08 - [http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=7001862 Plugging into the future] Hymotion to use [[SEVA:Li#A123 Systems - DeWalt 36v|A123 Systems Lithium]].
 * 2006.03.29 - [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/342 Betting on cars powered by batteries and gas] CBC News

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 *[http://www.hymotion.com/pdf/Specs_PHEV_L5.pdf Specs_PHEV_L5.pdf]
-*[http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/02/hymotion_unveil.html greencarcongress.com] good comments and more links
+* 2006.04.27 - [[EAA-PHEV_Maillist:2006./4./34]] BTW, a website speculates that Hymotion is getting their batteries from Electrovaya.
-*[http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/plugin_hybrid_k.php treehugger.com] flame comments mostly
+* 2006.02.21 - [http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/02/hymotion_unveil.html greencarcongress.com] good comments and more links
-*[http://www.gizmag.com/go/5252/1/ gizmag.com]
+* 2006.02.21 - [http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/plugin_hybrid_k.php treehugger.com] flame comments mostly
-*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETList/message/5795 Yahoo ETList]
+* 2006.02.24 - [http://www.gizmag.com/go/5252/1/ gizmag.com]
-*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/message/49540 Yahoo Prius-2G]
+* 2006.02.21 - Yahoo [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETList/message/5795 ETList],  [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/message/49540 Prius-2G], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gridable-hybrids/message/2285 Gridable-hybrids], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/309 CalCars-News], [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid_ford_escape/message/8244 Hybrid Ford Escape], [http://www.seattleeva.org/maillist/evdl/?show=2006./3./26 EVDL].
 ==News==

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 ==Links==
 * priusownersgroup.com - [http://www.priusownersgroup.com/?page_id=1128 Day 2 page 2] and [http://www.priusownersgroup.com/?page_id=1136 Day 3 page 5 - autocross chapter #3] at Tour de Sol
 *[http://www.autoauditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006/photos_012.html The Tour de Sol Reports, 2006]

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 Anyway, some Electric Conversion guys I know have mentioned that they think a simple "Hybrid battery", as it's known in the BEV world, type setup where a larger battery feeds the stock one would work, which Hymotion. seems to have confirmed.  The PriusPlus or EDrive method still has the advantage of being able to replacing the stock NiMH battery with a far lighter Lithium flavored one!
-Notice the trend towards the magical $500/kWh at 1000 units on the Hymotion battert packs, figure $1500 for the other hardware... This is about the cost of current mass production small form Li cells, who knows what happens to the cost once you ramp vehicle scale production into the millions? $250/kWh? $100/kWh? Keep in mind that something like the tzero with 6800 18650 cells is about 1000 laptops worth, so each PHEV might represent 200 laptops, 1000 cars = 200,000 laptops...
+Notice the trend towards the magical $500/kWh at 1000 units on the Hymotion battery packs, figure $1500 for the other hardware... This is about the cost of current mass production small form Li cells, who knows what happens to the cost once you ramp vehicle scale production into the millions? $250/kWh? $100/kWh? Keep in mind that something like the tzero with 6800 18650 cells is about 1000 laptops worth, so each PHEV might represent 200 laptops, 1000 cars = 200,000 laptops...
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	Toronto, ON. February 21, 2006: [http://www.hymotion.com Hymotion.com] [http://www.hymotion.com/pdf/PressRelease022106.pdf unveils Plug-in Hybrid Technology at the Canadian International Autoshow in Toronto] to use [[SEVA:Li\|Lithium Ion Polymer]] battery.		Toronto, ON. February 21, 2006: [http://www.hymotion.com Hymotion.com] [http://www.hymotion.com/pdf/PressRelease022106.pdf unveils Plug-in Hybrid Technology at the Canadian International Autoshow in Toronto] to use [[SEVA:Li\|Lithium Ion Polymer]] battery.
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	==Links==		==Links==

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 Toronto, ON. February 21, 2006: [http://www.hymotion.com Hymotion.com] [http://www.hymotion.com/pdf/PressRelease022106.pdf unveils Plug-in Hybrid Technology at the Canadian International Autoshow in Toronto] to use [[SEVA:Li|Lithium Ion Polymer]] battery.
 * priusownersgroup.com - [http://www.priusownersgroup.com/?page_id=1128 Day 2 page 2] and [http://www.priusownersgroup.com/?page_id=1136 Day 3 page 5 - autocross chapter #3] at Tour de Sol
 *[http://www.autoauditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2006/photos_012.html The Tour de Sol Reports, 2006]
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 *per [[EAA-PHEV_Maillist:2006./4./34]] BTW, a website speculates that Hymotion is getting their batteries from Electrovaya.
 * 2006.06.08 - [http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=7001862 Plugging into the future] Hymotion to use [[SEVA:Li#A123 Systems - DeWalt 36v|A123 Systems Lithium]].
 * 2006.03.29 - [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/342 Betting on cars powered by batteries and gas] CBC News
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 US $6,500.  Other systems are under development for the Lexus RX400h, Toyota Highlander Hybrid and Toyota Camry Hybrid.
-{{PHEV Consumer Options}}
+==Summary==
 So Hymotion will sell 1000 units for $6,500 each, 100 units for $9,500, or a single ''(demostration)'' unit for $12,500 plus an undetermined installation charge or the option of self installation after receiving training.  Hymotion and [[EDrive]] both go nearly the same distance at 31 vs 35miles, Hymotion is rated 5kWh and 40.9kg lighter than the EDrive at 9kWh, 1.8 times the energy at 1.56 times the weight.