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− | + | ''Spare Tire access'' | |
+ | * '''No''' the original tire well is covered or occupied by the new battery pack and must be secured and stowed in the rear cargo space. | ||
+ | * '''Yes''' the original tire well is accessible. | ||
+ | * '''Opt''' Optionally the battery box may be implemented in such a way to preserve access.</ref> | ||
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! <!-- Ins Time --> '''Install time [hours]<br><ref name=install_time/>'''<br> | ! <!-- Ins Time --> '''Install time [hours]<br><ref name=install_time/>'''<br> | ||
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− | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[PriusPlus]]''':CA,CT [http://www.calcars.org/ CalCars] | + | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[PriusPlus]]''':CA<ref>[[CalCars]] is based in California, however locations where progress is being made and help is available now include CA, CT, CO, IL, and TX.</ref> [http://www.calcars.org/ CalCars] |
| <!-- Convert --> No | | <!-- Convert --> No | ||
| <!-- Kits --> Yes | | <!-- Kits --> Yes | ||
| <!-- Status --> Dev Doc | | <!-- Status --> Dev Doc | ||
− | | <!-- Num Cars --> 5<ref>[[CalCars]] completed the [[PriusPlus History|1st ever Prius PHEV conversion 11/04]], With | + | | <!-- Num Cars --> 5<ref>[[CalCars]] completed the [[PriusPlus History|1st ever Prius PHEV conversion 11/04]], With six by 5/07 (One which [[Inaugural Maker Faire|became the test bed for the PiPrius project]], two of which uses NiMH, and the latest which retains the spare tire.)</ref> |
| <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | | <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | | <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | ||
| <!-- AC Input --> 100 to 240 Vac | | <!-- AC Input --> 100 to 240 Vac | ||
− | | <!-- Chg time --> | + | | <!-- Chg time --> 4+ <ref name=charge_time/> |
| <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | ||
| <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | | <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | ||
− | | <!-- Spare --> | + | | <!-- Spare --> Opt |
− | | <!-- Cost --> $ | + | | <!-- Cost --> $3-$9K +Labor <ref>[[CalCars]] Batteries: ~$1K ($3-$5K for NiMH) Charger: $0.9-$2K Total: $3-$4K + labor for PbA conversions and an additional $3 to $5K for NiMH</ref> |
| <!-- Topology --> Hyb Con CV | | <!-- Topology --> Hyb Con CV | ||
| <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[CalCars]] uses 20 * BB Battery EVP20-12B SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). Have used [http://www.electroenergyinc.com/ Electroenergy] NiMH in [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/343 EEEI Prius], evaluating Lithium.</ref> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[CalCars]] uses 20 * BB Battery EVP20-12B SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). Have used [http://www.electroenergyinc.com/ Electroenergy] NiMH in [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/343 EEEI Prius] and Nilar NiMH in Nilar Prius, evaluating Lithium. |
+ | *[[PriusPlus]] using NiMH has: | ||
+ | ** 20-25 mile EV range | ||
+ | ** 40+ miles PHEV range | ||
+ | ** 5 hr recharge | ||
+ | ** ~100 kg added weight | ||
+ | ** around 6.5 kWh pack energy | ||
+ | ** around 5 kWh DOD energy.</ref> | ||
| <!-- Ins Time --> 120-36 <ref>[[CalCars]] conversions are very hands on and from scratch, A crew of 5, 8 hours, 3 days = 120 hours.</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 120-36 <ref>[[CalCars]] conversions are very hands on and from scratch, A crew of 5, 8 hours, 3 days = 120 hours.</ref> | ||
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| <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[PiPrius]] an installer familiars with the kit might complete a conversion in 8 hours, less experienced may spend 3 or more days.</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[PiPrius]] an installer familiars with the kit might complete a conversion in 8 hours, less experienced may spend 3 or more days.</ref> | ||
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− | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[EnergyCS]]''':CA / | + | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[EnergyCS]]''':CA [http://energycs.com/ EnergyCS] |
+ | | <!-- Convert --> Yes | ||
+ | | <!-- Kits --> No | ||
+ | | <!-- Status --> Prod | ||
+ | | <!-- Num Cars --> 11 | ||
+ | | <!-- AERange --> 30 | ||
+ | | <!-- BMRange --> 50 | ||
+ | | <!-- AC Input --> 120 Vac | ||
+ | | <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | ||
+ | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | ||
+ | | <!-- Mass Add --> 83 | ||
+ | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
+ | | <!-- Cost --> $40K | ||
+ | | <!-- Topology --> New | ||
+ | | <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | ||
+ | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | ||
+ | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li <ref>[[EnergyCS]] uses [http://www.valence.com/ Valence] [http://www.valence.com/saphion.asp Saphion] phosphate cathode LiIon cells extracted from [http://www.valence.com/ucharge.asp U-Charge] packs</ref> | ||
+ | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[EnergyCS]] future:< 1day</ref> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[Amberjac]]''':UK [http://w10.eleven2.com/~plugin/ Amberjac] | ||
| <!-- Convert --> Yes | | <!-- Convert --> Yes | ||
| <!-- Kits --> No | | <!-- Kits --> No | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[ | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[Amberjac]] future:< 1day</ref> |
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| <!-- WebSite --> '''[[EDrive]]''':CA [http://edrivesystems.com/ EDrive Systems] | | <!-- WebSite --> '''[[EDrive]]''':CA [http://edrivesystems.com/ EDrive Systems] | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[EDrive]] uses Laptop Cobalt LiIon 18650 cells</ref> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li <ref>[[EDrive]] uses Laptop Cobalt LiIon 18650 cells</ref> |
| <!-- Ins Time --> ??? | | <!-- Ins Time --> ??? | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[Hymotion]] uses Lithium polymer (future: A123 LiIon)</ref> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li <ref>[[Hymotion]] uses Lithium polymer (future: A123 LiIon)</ref> |
| <!-- Ins Time --> 16-8 <ref>[[Hymotion]] < 1 day</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 16-8 <ref>[[Hymotion]] < 1 day</ref> | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] uses 600 or 1200 * 26650-size iron-phosphate cathode LiIon cells. Has also used Large format Lithium cells.</ref> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li <ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] uses 600 or 1200 * 26650-size iron-phosphate cathode LiIon cells. Has also used Large format Lithium cells.</ref> |
| <!-- Ins Time --> 4-24 <ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] 4 hours is pretty quick, more time required for larger battery.</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 4-24 <ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] 4 hours is pretty quick, more time required for larger battery.</ref> | ||
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Revision as of 21:29, 29 June 2007
This from Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro: " I have two systems installed. We have 10 +miles range EV only I am not sure what the test variables are for Phev running.
The same charger that does the dc/Dc does the Grid recharge. We can sustain 30 plus amps of grid power at 240VAC That's 7.2Kw. We have data logs on a recahrge at less than 25 minutes. So we are in the .3 hours recharge range.
The BMS is a Rudman Reg Mark 3 on every battery. It is fully protected on charge mode and discharge mode. Got the test done yesterday. Sweet operation. Oh yea the BMS is programmable with a laptop. With no security locks. I am doing this open source. We can and have extracted 4+ Kwhr from the add on pack.
The delivery cost is targeted at $10,000. I have my doubts that I can make the profit I want at this price. The brutal fact is anybody bragging about selling one of these kits for less than 10K is not looking at the bare bones costs of the hardware. I have to. since I am using my own funds, not some investors.
Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro" --DavideAndrea 14:17, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
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Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Why are the Lead Acid battery spill proof? Yes, I know, they are sealed. But, in case of perforation, in an accident, won't the acid come out? DavideAndrea 21:00, 10 January 2007 (CST)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
No, it won't spill like a flooded cell would. The electrolyte is suspended in fiberglass mat separators (a.k.a. absorbent glass mat - AGM.) In theory, even if the battery is punctured, within the rated temperatures, it will not spill since the electrolyte is in the mat, although a solid acid powder will probably come out in small quantities, but not in a liquid. If the battery is heated beyond its rated temperature (overcharge, short, etc), the electrolyte becomes liquid and can (and usually does) leak. A big concern with a punctured battery are the lead plates and the lead powder that gets formed and comes out when punctured, which is a health concern (acid is too, but easier to deal with and clean up.)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Thanks!DavideAndrea 00:23, 11 January 2007 (CST)
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