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'''Install time [hours]''' Times are estimates and best guess only. Assumes 8 hour shift per individual. Times of less than 24 hours might be performed in a single day by a crew of 3 or less.</ref> | '''Install time [hours]''' Times are estimates and best guess only. Assumes 8 hour shift per individual. Times of less than 24 hours might be performed in a single day by a crew of 3 or less.</ref> | ||
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+ | * '''New''' New Battery Pack and [[BMS]], the OEM NiMH battery and BMS are replaced with a [[Battery Pack Configurations#Simple|simple string]]. | ||
+ | * '''Hyb''' OEM NiMH battery and additional battery are both utilized in a [[Battery Pack Configurations#Hybrid|hybrid battery pack configuration]], OEM [[BMS]] continues to manage OEM battery. | ||
+ | ** '''Con''' Contactors are used to parallel the OEM and NiMH batteries. | ||
+ | ** '''DC''' A DC to DC converter is used to move power forward from the PHEV to the OEM Battery. | ||
+ | ** '''CV''' The [[CAN-View]] is used to manage the PHEV systems operation.</ref> | ||
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! <!-- Spare --> '''Spare Tire<br><ref name=spare_tire/>'''<br> | ! <!-- Spare --> '''Spare Tire<br><ref name=spare_tire/>'''<br> | ||
! <!-- Cost --> '''Cost [US$]'''<br> | ! <!-- Cost --> '''Cost [US$]'''<br> | ||
− | ! <!-- Topology --> ''' | + | ! <!-- Topology --> '''Type'''<br><ref name=topology_type/>'''<br> |
! <!-- Energy --> '''Pack energy [KWh]'''<br> | ! <!-- Energy --> '''Pack energy [KWh]'''<br> | ||
! <!-- Bat DOD --> '''DOD energy [KWh]<br><ref name=energy/>'''<br> | ! <!-- Bat DOD --> '''DOD energy [KWh]<br><ref name=energy/>'''<br> | ||
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| <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | | <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | | <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | ||
− | | <!-- AC Input --> | + | | <!-- AC Input --> 100 to 240 Vac |
− | | <!-- Chg time --> 3 | + | | <!-- Chg time --> 3-11 <ref name=charge_time/> |
| <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | ||
| <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | | <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
− | | <!-- Cost --> | + | | <!-- Cost --> $4-$7K +Labor <ref>[[CalCars]] Batteries: ~$1K Charger: $0.9-$2K Total: $4-$7K + labor</ref> |
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> Hyb Con CV |
| <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[CalCars]] uses 20 * BB Battery EVP20-12B SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). Have used NiMH | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[CalCars]] uses 20 * BB Battery EVP20-12B SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). Have used NiMH, evaluating Lithium. Must be a specific voltage.</ref> |
| <!-- Ins Time --> 120-36 <ref>[[CalCars]] conversions are very hands on and from scratch, A crew of 5, 8 hours, 3 days = 120 hours.</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 120-36 <ref>[[CalCars]] conversions are very hands on and from scratch, A crew of 5, 8 hours, 3 days = 120 hours.</ref> | ||
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| <!-- AERange --> 10 | | <!-- AERange --> 10 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 20-30 | | <!-- BMRange --> 20-30 | ||
− | | <!-- AC Input --> | + | | <!-- AC Input --> 90 to 300 Vac Vdc |
− | | <!-- Chg time --> 3 | + | | <!-- Chg time --> 0.4-3+ <ref>[[PiPrius]] Charges in about 3 hours @ 120v & 15a or can be charged in as little as 0.4 hours (24 minutes) @ 240v & up to 40amps</ref><ref name=charge_time/> |
| <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | ||
| <!-- Mass Add --> ~150 | | <!-- Mass Add --> ~150 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
− | | <!-- Cost --> | + | | <!-- Cost --> $10K +Labor <ref>[[PiPrius]] Batteries: $0.8K~$1.2K Charger/DC-DC: $3K Target: ~$10K</ref> |
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> Hyb DC CV <ref name=pfc_regs/> |
| <!-- Energy --> 4.7 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.7 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[PiPrius]] uses 15 * Hawker EP26 SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid) | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[PiPrius]] uses 15 * Hawker EP26 SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid), 24 * 20Ah SLA., Evaluating Lithium, or users choice of chemistry, voltage and capacity.</ref> |
| <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[PiPrius]] an installer familiars with the kit might complete a conversion in 8 hours, less experienced may spend 3 or more days.</ref> | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[PiPrius]] an installer familiars with the kit might complete a conversion in 8 hours, less experienced may spend 3 or more days.</ref> | ||
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| <!-- AERange --> 30 | | <!-- AERange --> 30 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 50 | | <!-- BMRange --> 50 | ||
− | | <!-- AC Input --> | + | | <!-- AC Input --> 120 Vac |
| <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof | ||
| <!-- Mass Add --> 83 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 83 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
− | | <!-- Cost --> 40K | + | | <!-- Cost --> $40K |
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> New |
| <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | ||
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| <!-- AERange --> 32? | | <!-- AERange --> 32? | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 60? | | <!-- BMRange --> 60? | ||
− | | <!-- AC Input --> | + | | <!-- AC Input --> 100 to 240 Vac |
| <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Safety --> via cell sep <ref>[[EDrive]] Through cell separation</ref> | | <!-- Safety --> via cell sep <ref>[[EDrive]] Through cell separation</ref> | ||
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| <!-- Spare --> yes | | <!-- Spare --> yes | ||
| <!-- Cost --> ? | | <!-- Cost --> ? | ||
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> New |
| <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | ||
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| <!-- AERange --> 15 <ref name=hymotion_range/> | | <!-- AERange --> 15 <ref name=hymotion_range/> | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> | | <!-- BMRange --> | ||
− | | <!-- AC Input --> | + | | <!-- AC Input --> 100 to 240 Vac |
| <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 4.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 4.0 | ||
| <!-- Safety --> Spill proof | | <!-- Safety --> Spill proof | ||
| <!-- Mass Add --> 72 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 72 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
− | | <!-- Cost --> 10K | + | | <!-- Cost --> $10K <ref>[[Hymotion]] $10K target price for fleet or 100 vehicles</ref> |
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> Hyb |
| <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
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| <!-- Mass Add --> 21 / 81 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 21 / 81 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> yes | | <!-- Spare --> yes | ||
− | | <!-- Cost --> 24K / 32K | + | | <!-- Cost --> $24K / $32K <ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] $24K for [http://hybrids-plus.com/ht/Prius04-PHEV-15-pnr.html Prius-15] / $32K for [http://hybrids-plus.com/ht/Prius04-PHEV-30-pnr.html Prius-30]</ref> |
− | | <!-- Topology --> | + | | <!-- Topology --> New |
| <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | ||
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Revision as of 09:37, 29 June 2007
This from Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro: " I have two systems installed. We have 10 +miles range EV only I am not sure what the test variables are for Phev running.
The same charger that does the dc/Dc does the Grid recharge. We can sustain 30 plus amps of grid power at 240VAC That's 7.2Kw. We have data logs on a recahrge at less than 25 minutes. So we are in the .3 hours recharge range.
The BMS is a Rudman Reg Mark 3 on every battery. It is fully protected on charge mode and discharge mode. Got the test done yesterday. Sweet operation. Oh yea the BMS is programmable with a laptop. With no security locks. I am doing this open source. We can and have extracted 4+ Kwhr from the add on pack.
The delivery cost is targeted at $10,000. I have my doubts that I can make the profit I want at this price. The brutal fact is anybody bragging about selling one of these kits for less than 10K is not looking at the bare bones costs of the hardware. I have to. since I am using my own funds, not some investors.
Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro" --DavideAndrea 14:17, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
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Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Why are the Lead Acid battery spill proof? Yes, I know, they are sealed. But, in case of perforation, in an accident, won't the acid come out? DavideAndrea 21:00, 10 January 2007 (CST)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
No, it won't spill like a flooded cell would. The electrolyte is suspended in fiberglass mat separators (a.k.a. absorbent glass mat - AGM.) In theory, even if the battery is punctured, within the rated temperatures, it will not spill since the electrolyte is in the mat, although a solid acid powder will probably come out in small quantities, but not in a liquid. If the battery is heated beyond its rated temperature (overcharge, short, etc), the electrolyte becomes liquid and can (and usually does) leak. A big concern with a punctured battery are the lead plates and the lead powder that gets formed and comes out when punctured, which is a health concern (acid is too, but easier to deal with and clean up.)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Thanks!DavideAndrea 00:23, 11 January 2007 (CST)
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