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− | '''EV range [mi]''' Assuming <35 mph, 210 Wh/mile (260 Wh/mi from grid) per http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/08/solarpoweraugme.html, 1.5 miles is approximately the range with a fully charged stock battery pack</ref> | + | '''EV range [mi]''' or '''All Electric Range (AER)''' Assuming <35 mph, 210 Wh/mile (260 Wh/mi from grid) per http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/08/solarpoweraugme.html, 1.5 miles is approximately the range with a fully charged stock battery pack</ref> |
<ref name=phev_range> | <ref name=phev_range> | ||
− | '''PHEV range [mi]''' During which the mileage is on the order of 100 mpg. Shows range as stated by organization.</ref> | + | '''PHEV range [mi]''' or ''' [[Blended mode]] Range (BMR)''' During which the mileage is on the order of 100 mpg. Shows range as stated by organization.</ref> |
<ref name=safety> | <ref name=safety> | ||
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'''Conversion service:''' done by the PHEV conversion company, at their location. | '''Conversion service:''' done by the PHEV conversion company, at their location. | ||
'''Conversion kit:''' done by the owners in their hometown.</ref> | '''Conversion kit:''' done by the owners in their hometown.</ref> | ||
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+ | <ref name=status> | ||
+ | '''Project Status''' | ||
+ | *''Doc: '' Open Source Documentation in progress. | ||
+ | *''Dev: '' Development: Working vehicles on the road but some features still under development. | ||
+ | *''Prod:'' Production: Working vehicles on the road, performing conversions or supplying kits.</ref> | ||
+ | |||
+ | <ref name=install_time> | ||
+ | '''Install time [hours]''' Times are estimates and best guess only. Assumes 8 hour shift per individual. Times of less than 24 hours might be performed in a single day by a crew of 3 or less.</ref> | ||
</div> | </div> | ||
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:white;text-align:center;width:100%;" | {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:white;text-align:center;width:100%;" | ||
− | ! <!-- WebSite --> '''Organization''' | + | |- valign=bottom |
− | + | ! <!-- WebSite --> '''Organization''' ''external websites'' '''Location'''<br> | |
− | ! <!-- Locl Ref --> '''References'''<br>''local articles'' | + | ! <!-- Locl Ref --> '''References'''<br>''local articles'' '''Product'''<br> |
− | + | ! <!-- Convert --> '''Conv. service<br><ref name=convert_service/>'''<br> | |
− | ! <!-- Convert --> '''Conv. service <ref name=convert_service/>''' | + | ! <!-- Kits --> '''Conv. kit<br><ref name=convert_service/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Kits --> ''' | + | ! <!-- Status --> '''Status<br><ref name=status/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Status --> '''Status''' | + | ! <!-- Num Cars --> '''# done so far'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Num Cars --> '''# done so far''' | + | ! <!-- AERange --> '''EV range [mi]<br><ref name=ev_range/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- AERange --> '''EV range [mi] <ref name=ev_range/>''' | + | ! <!-- BMRange --> '''PHEV range [mi]<br><ref name=phev_range/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- BMRange --> '''PHEV range [mi] <ref name=phev_range/>''' | + | ! <!-- AC Input --> '''AC power'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- AC Input --> '''AC power''' | + | ! <!-- Chg time --> '''Charge time [hours]<br><ref name=charge_time/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Chg time --> '''Charge time<br> | + | ! <!-- Safety --> '''Safety<br><ref name=safety/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Safety --> '''Safety <ref name=safety/>''' | + | ! <!-- Mass Add --> '''Added weight [kg]'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Mass Add --> ''' | + | ! <!-- Spare --> '''Spare Tire<br><ref name=spare_tire/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Spare --> '''Tire | + | ! <!-- Cost --> '''Cost [US$]'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Cost --> '''Cost [US$]''' | + | ! <!-- Topology --> '''Topology'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Topology --> '''Topology''' | + | ! <!-- Energy --> '''Pack energy [KWh]'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Energy --> '''Pack energy [KWh]''' | + | ! <!-- Bat DOD --> '''DOD energy [KWh]<br><ref name=energy/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Bat DOD --> ''' | + | ! <!-- Bat Chem --> '''Bat type'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Bat Chem --> ''' | + | ! <!-- Ins Time --> '''Install time [hours]<br><ref name=install_time/>'''<br> |
− | ! <!-- Ins Time --> '''Install time''' | ||
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− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://www.calcars.org/ CalCars] [http://www.electroenergyinc.com/ Electroenergy] | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://www.calcars.org/ CalCars] [http://www.electroenergyinc.com/ Electroenergy] California, Connecticut |
− | + | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[PriusPlus]]''' / [[PriusPlus History|History]], [[Inaugural Maker Faire|Maker Faire]], [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/343 EEEI Prius] | |
− | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[PriusPlus]]'''/[[PriusPlus History|History]], | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> No | | <!-- Convert --> No | ||
| <!-- Kits --> Yes | | <!-- Kits --> Yes | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Dev Doc |
− | | <!-- Num Cars --> 1st ever | + | | <!-- Num Cars --> 5<ref>[[CalCars]] completed the 1st ever Prius PHEV conversion 11/04, With four by 11/06 (one of which uses NiMH, and one which became the test bed for the PiPrius project)</ref> |
| <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | | <!-- AERange --> 10-12 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | | <!-- BMRange --> 20+ | ||
| <!-- AC Input --> 120-240 VAC | | <!-- AC Input --> 120-240 VAC | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 3 to 80%<br>11 to 100% <ref name=charge_time/> | | <!-- Chg time --> 3 to 80%<br>11 to 100% <ref name=charge_time/> | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Flame | + | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof |
| <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | | <!-- Mass Add --> 130+ | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.8 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 2.4-3.8<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[CalCars]] uses 20 * BB Battery EVP20-12B SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). Have used NiMH and may use Lithium in the future.</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 120-36 <ref>[[CalCars]] conversions are very hands on and from scratch, A crew of 5, 8 hours, 3 days = 120 hours.</ref> |
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− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ Manzanita Micro] | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ Manzanita Micro] [http://www.piprius.com PiPrius] [http://plugincenter.com/ AVI] Washington |
− | + | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[PiPrius]]''', [[PriusBlue]], [[WhiteBird]], [[GrayPearl]] | |
− | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[PiPrius]]''', | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> No | | <!-- Convert --> No | ||
| <!-- Kits --> Yes | | <!-- Kits --> Yes | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Dev Doc |
− | | <!-- Num Cars --> | + | | <!-- Num Cars --> 4 |
| <!-- AERange --> 10 | | <!-- AERange --> 10 | ||
| <!-- BMRange --> 20-30 | | <!-- BMRange --> 20-30 | ||
| <!-- AC Input --> Universal:<br>90 to 300 Vac/Vdc | | <!-- AC Input --> Universal:<br>90 to 300 Vac/Vdc | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 3.0 @ 120 Vac/<br>0.3 @ 240 Vac <ref name=charge_time/> | | <!-- Chg time --> 3.0 @ 120 Vac/<br>0.3 @ 240 Vac <ref name=charge_time/> | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Flame | + | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof |
| <!-- Mass Add --> ~150 | | <!-- Mass Add --> ~150 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 4.7 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.7 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> PbA (Ni, Li) <ref>[[PiPrius]] uses 15 * Hawker EP26 SLA (Sealed Lead-Acid). 24 * 20Ah SLA. Evaluating various Lithium cells. Users choice of battery pack chemistry, voltage and capacity.</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[PiPrius]] an installer familiars with the kit might complete a conversion in 8 hours, less experienced may spend 3 or more days.</ref> |
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− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://energycs.com/ EnergyCS]/ | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://energycs.com/ EnergyCS] / [http://w10.eleven2.com/~plugin/ Amberjac] California / UK |
− | + | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[EnergyCS]]''':US /[[Amberjac]]:UK | |
− | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[EnergyCS]]''' /[[Amberjac]]:UK | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> Yes | | <!-- Convert --> Yes | ||
| <!-- Kits --> No | | <!-- Kits --> No | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Prod |
| <!-- Num Cars --> 7 | | <!-- Num Cars --> 7 | ||
| <!-- AERange --> 30 | | <!-- AERange --> 30 | ||
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| <!-- AC Input --> 120Vac | | <!-- AC Input --> 120Vac | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Flame | + | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof |
| <!-- Mass Add --> 83 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 83 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8 | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> [http://www.valence.com/ Valence] | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[EnergyCS]] uses [http://www.valence.com/ Valence] [http://www.valence.com/saphion.asp Saphion] phosphate cathode LiIon cells extracted from [http://www.valence.com/ucharge.asp U-Charge] packs</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> future:< | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 24-8 <ref>[[EnergyCS]] future:< 1day</ref> |
|- | |- | ||
− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://edrivesystems.com/ EDrive | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://edrivesystems.com/ EDrive Systems] California |
− | |||
| <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[EDrive]]''' | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[EDrive]]''' | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> ? | | <!-- Convert --> ? | ||
| <!-- Kits --> ? | | <!-- Kits --> ? | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Dev |
| <!-- Num Cars --> 0 | | <!-- Num Cars --> 0 | ||
| <!-- AERange --> 32? | | <!-- AERange --> 32? | ||
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| <!-- AC Input --> 120-240 VAC | | <!-- AC Input --> 120-240 VAC | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 9.0 | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Through cell< | + | | <!-- Safety --> via cell sep <ref>[[EDrive]] Through cell separation</ref> |
| <!-- Mass Add --> ? | | <!-- Mass Add --> ? | ||
| <!-- Spare --> yes | | <!-- Spare --> yes | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | | <!-- Energy --> 9.5 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 8.5? | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[EDrive]] uses Laptop Cobalt LiIon 18650 cells</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> ? | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> ??? |
|- | |- | ||
− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://hymotion.com/ Hymotion]/ | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://hymotion.com/ Hymotion] / [http://www.a123systems.com/html/company.html A123] Ontario |
− | + | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[Hymotion]]''' / PHEV-L5 | |
− | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[Hymotion]]''' | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> Yes, fleets | | <!-- Convert --> Yes, fleets | ||
| <!-- Kits --> No | | <!-- Kits --> No | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Prod |
| <!-- Num Cars --> 18 | | <!-- Num Cars --> 18 | ||
| <!-- AERange --> 15 <ref name=hymotion_range/> | | <!-- AERange --> 15 <ref name=hymotion_range/> | ||
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| <!-- AC Input --> 120 / 220 Vac | | <!-- AC Input --> 120 / 220 Vac | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 4.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 4.0 | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Spill | + | | <!-- Safety --> Spill proof |
| <!-- Mass Add --> 72 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 72 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> no | | <!-- Spare --> no | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 5.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4<br>+ 0.3 stock | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[Hymotion]] uses Lithium polymer (future: A123 LiIon)</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> < 1 day | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 16-8 <ref>[[Hymotion]] < 1 day</ref> |
|- | |- | ||
− | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://hybrids-plus.com/ Hybrids-Plus] | + | | <!-- WebSite --> [http://hybrids-plus.com/ Hybrids-Plus] Colorado |
− | + | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[Hybrids-Plus]]''' [http://hybrids-plus.com/ht/Prius04-PHEV-15-pnr.html Prius-15] / [http://hybrids-plus.com/ht/Prius04-PHEV-30-pnr.html Prius-30] | |
− | | <!-- Locl Ref --> '''[[Hybrids-Plus]]''' | ||
− | |||
| <!-- Convert --> Yes | | <!-- Convert --> Yes | ||
| <!-- Kits --> Future | | <!-- Kits --> Future | ||
− | | <!-- Status --> | + | | <!-- Status --> Prod |
| <!-- Num Cars --> 3 | | <!-- Num Cars --> 3 | ||
| <!-- AERange --> 15 / 30 | | <!-- AERange --> 15 / 30 | ||
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| <!-- AC Input --> 120 Vac | | <!-- AC Input --> 120 Vac | ||
| <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 9.0 | | <!-- Chg time --> 5.5 / 9.0 | ||
− | | <!-- Safety --> Flame | + | | <!-- Safety --> Flame Spill proof |
| <!-- Mass Add --> 21 / 81 | | <!-- Mass Add --> 21 / 81 | ||
| <!-- Spare --> yes | | <!-- Spare --> yes | ||
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| <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | | <!-- Energy --> 4.5 / 9.0 | ||
| <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | | <!-- Bat DOD --> 4 / 8 | ||
− | | <!-- Bat Chem --> 600 | + | | <!-- Bat Chem --> Li<ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] uses 600 or 1200 * 26650-size iron-phosphate cathode LiIon cells. Has also used Large format Lithium cells.</ref> |
− | | <!-- Ins Time --> 4 | + | | <!-- Ins Time --> 4-24 <ref>[[Hybrids-Plus]] 4 hours is pretty quick, more time required for larger battery.</ref> |
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Revision as of 10:29, 28 June 2007
This from Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro: " I have two systems installed. We have 10 +miles range EV only I am not sure what the test variables are for Phev running.
The same charger that does the dc/Dc does the Grid recharge. We can sustain 30 plus amps of grid power at 240VAC That's 7.2Kw. We have data logs on a recahrge at less than 25 minutes. So we are in the .3 hours recharge range.
The BMS is a Rudman Reg Mark 3 on every battery. It is fully protected on charge mode and discharge mode. Got the test done yesterday. Sweet operation. Oh yea the BMS is programmable with a laptop. With no security locks. I am doing this open source. We can and have extracted 4+ Kwhr from the add on pack.
The delivery cost is targeted at $10,000. I have my doubts that I can make the profit I want at this price. The brutal fact is anybody bragging about selling one of these kits for less than 10K is not looking at the bare bones costs of the hardware. I have to. since I am using my own funds, not some investors.
Rich Rudman Manzanita Micro" --DavideAndrea 14:17, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
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Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Why are the Lead Acid battery spill proof? Yes, I know, they are sealed. But, in case of perforation, in an accident, won't the acid come out? DavideAndrea 21:00, 10 January 2007 (CST)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
No, it won't spill like a flooded cell would. The electrolyte is suspended in fiberglass mat separators (a.k.a. absorbent glass mat - AGM.) In theory, even if the battery is punctured, within the rated temperatures, it will not spill since the electrolyte is in the mat, although a solid acid powder will probably come out in small quantities, but not in a liquid. If the battery is heated beyond its rated temperature (overcharge, short, etc), the electrolyte becomes liquid and can (and usually does) leak. A big concern with a punctured battery are the lead plates and the lead powder that gets formed and comes out when punctured, which is a health concern (acid is too, but easier to deal with and clean up.)
Re: Spill proof Lead-Acid?
Thanks!DavideAndrea 00:23, 11 January 2007 (CST)
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